One of the most common questions I get from users of my website has to do with reusing their current batch of yogurt to make their next batch. Being able to "reuse" or perpetuate the starter from one batch to the next can be a huge cost savings in making yogurt, completely eliminate packaging waste, and to gain even more control over the finished product as compared with starting from a new starter culture each time. But like a lot of my users, I have not had great success with keeping a starter going beyond four or five batches, before noticing a dropoff in quality of the finished yogurt. Until now that is.
As a quick review, the first time you make yogurt at home you need a starter and some milk. I recommend using 2-3 Tbs. of a high quality, store-bought, plain yogurt, such as Dannon or Stoneyfield. Alternatively, you can purchase freeze-dried cultures from health-food stores or online. Once you have made your first batch of yogurt, you can reserve 2-3 Tbs. of it to start your next batch, eliminating the need to buy more store-bought yogurt or cultures. Theoretically, this should work indefinitely, and in homes where yogurt making is a multi-generational tradition, it does. Yet, I have observed my yogurt starting to get less thick and less tangy by batch five, and have shied away from going beyond four batches for several years.
Back in June of this year, however, I decided to give perpetuating a culture another go. So I read up on yogurt cultures, and re-examined my process for defects. What I learned is that not all yogurt cultures are capable of continual perpetuation. Some cultures are "direct set", meaning that you use them once, and that is it. You need to buy new starter for each and every batch. Many freeze-dried cultures that accompany home yogurt makers are of this variety. Other cultures, however, are capable of being perpetuated indefinitely - under the right conditions. Two of the most common are almost always found together in good quality yogurt. They are Lactobacillus bulgaricus and Streptococcus thermophilus. They also happen to be the two strains found in Dannon plain yogurt, from which I started this latest experiment.
The other thing that I learned is that the longer your current batch of yogurt sticks around in the fridge, the less likely it is to be a good starter for the next batch. I sort of knew this intuitively, since we've all had yogurt go bad on us before we could finish it. But as long as the yogurt hadn't "turned", I figured it was okay. But if you think about the yogurt making process, the clock is ticking on those cultures for lack of anything to eat. Remember, the bacterial cultures in yogurt consume the lactose in the milk, converting it to lactic acid. This not only gives yogurt its distinctive tanginess, it also preserves the milk by creating an acid condition in which pathogenic bacteria will not grow. So your finished yogurt has much less lactose in it upon which the cultures can feed. Eventually, they run out of fuel entirely and die, and the bad bacteria moves in.
So how long is too long? I don't really know, and am open to comments from any biologists in the audience. But since June, we have been awash at our house in various forms of fresh berries followed by jams made from said berries. As a result, our yogurt consumption is way up. Our family of three has been ripping through a half gallon of yogurt in about seven to eight days. So the batch that will become the next starter is never more than 8 days old. However, we went out of town twice during this experiment, and I froze 2-3 Tbs. of the current batch, and picked it up anew upon our return. We will finish batch number seven this week (I know that's a whole lot of yogurt) and I will be making batch number eight this weekend. So far each batch has turned out just like the batch before it. Now I don't have commercial heating and freezing equipment in my home (I am sure you don't either) and there is certainly going to be variability in how cold it is in your fridge vs. mine. With that said, if you make a new batch - or freeze some starter from the current batch - within a seven or eight days, my results seem to indicate that you can keep these two strains going indefinitely. Time will tell of course, and I would not plan on freezing your cultures for more than a few weeks.
I will continue with this experiment for as long as I can, and provide updates in the form of comments to this thread. Please track my results and chime in with your own findings.
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I found your website online, and have used your methods, religiously, and have excellent yogurt, every time. I love the whisking advice, it really makes a difference.THANKS!!!
ReplyDeleteAm I understanding your new experiment correctly - you make yogurt, immediately take out the 2 tablespoons, freeze it, and then use it for the next batch? Makes good sense, I'll try it.
Please, allow me to share my twist on your method. I recently insulated the garage with styrofoam boards, and I had a bit left over. I also had an empty cardboard box - it held a paper shredder - the top is one of those which has two side flaps and one large flap, similar to this style,
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I cut the styrofoam to fit one piece in the bottom, and each of the four sides, but two pieces on the top. I put my yogurt into two quart jars and put them in the box, along with another jar of hot water (from the hot water bath pot) and then I put on the styrofoam lids, and close the top of the box.
At the first, I poked a hole in a jar lid, and suspended a thermometer in the yogurt, and this arrangement kept the yogurt at 110 for the entire 9 hours of culture-time. Then the jars go straight into the 'fridge.
I use mason jars with the two piece tops - the metal ring and metal cap, only I replace the metal cap with a circle cut out of an old yogurt-container-lid.
Anyway, thanks so much, you've revived my love of making my own yogurt. I love your system, and I think it makes the whole thing pretty foolproof. Thanks so much.
Cheers!
Rosemary
Rosemary,
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing your tip. I have toyed with the idea of a thermal approach, and reusing your hot water bath is basically making this almost a zero-energy affair. But I have always felt that the temperature must be slowly dropping the whole time. We've all had hot soup in a thermos be "pretty warm" soup by lunch time. Even with the addition of the hot water (which is also cooling) I don't see how the temperature could be steady for 7-8 hours. Perhaps I'll give it a whirl.
By the way, I don't use a whisk when making yogurt. I think you have my site confused with some other.
Rosemary,
ReplyDeleteTo your other question, I only freeze it if it looks as though I will not make a new batch within the 7-8 day range.
Batch eight in the books and perfect!
ReplyDeleteLast time I bought a starter I had the Dannon in my hand and then I switched and bought Stonyfield! Damn! Oh Well, next time. I would like to say Thank you SOOO much for your site. I have been making yogurt after reading your instructions for about 4 months now and I could not be happier!! I love it. I like to sweeten mine with real maple syrup. It works great! M.K.
ReplyDeleteI prefer FAGE over Stonyfield and Dannon. I just checked and it does have the necessary cultures.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info.
Does it matter if I freeze it immediately or can I wait a few days?
Jonesy,
ReplyDeleteAs long as your starter has the two cultures I mentioned, it doesn't matter which brand. I have been freezing it within a few days of making the new batch, and it has been working fine. I am up to batch #9, and still going.
Please advise as to exactly how you've been freezing the 2-3 tablespoons of yogurt culture. And do you just throw it in frozen when you're making a new batch? And also, what is the tip with the whisk?
ReplyDeleteMarge,
ReplyDeleteI put it in a small tupperware container before putting it into the freezer. For the next batch, it needs to thaw entirely in the fridge, or be thawed in a warm water bath right before using it. Do not heat it up to thaw it out, and don't put it in frozen. Just chilled like it would be if it were fresh. I don't use a whisk when making yogurt, and could not say what the tip is.
I think a small glass jar with good lid would work, too, for freezing and thawing as you recommend. What do you think? Thanks for the great stuff here. I am officially a yogurt maker thanks to my friend Sue who introduced me to this and your site has been great. I bought the heating pad and thermometer! No more buying organic FF yogurt. I now buy a gallon of organic FF milk for $4.59 and get 4 quarts of organic yogurt from that. The last container of Stonyfield organic was $4.19. And it's so easy!!
ReplyDeleteMarge,
ReplyDeleteAs long as it is tempered (so it doesn't crack), I think glass would be fine. As far as the cost savings goes, there really is no comparison. The value-added markup on yogurt is astronomical. If more consumers would wise up, they'd find that they would not only save money and reduce packaging waste, but that they can make better yogurt at home.
With you all the way, Mr. Homemade Yogurt guy, on reducing packaging waste and not throwing my money down the drain. And eating a lot more yogurt as a result. I'm hoping my next bone density test shows it, too!
ReplyDeleteI have been freezing food in glass jars for 50 years, and the key is just to leave an inch of headroom--any kind of jar works just fine and I never have breakage unless I drop it!
ReplyDeleteI think these bacteria could also metabolize sugar aside from lactose, so you supplement your culture with sugar you'll probably be able to keep them going for longer period but you need to do more research on this
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't sound like a whole lot of yogurt to me! I have eight kids and a half gallon of yogurt is *one* breakfast for us, if we have just that with fruit and some granola on top. We have yogurt for breakfast once a week, so a half gallon every seven days is easy to maintain!
ReplyDeleteInteresting about the bacteria using up their food. I had the same question about the yeast in sourdough and the issue was the same. Now that I make bread once a week from my starter, I never have a starter fail to do its job. I guess yeast and bacteria are like all living things: they need food to survive!
Great blog!....i am a newbie in Mexico where yogurt is not a forte..It is eaten a lot but not at all like Fage. I started this first batch with a mix of goat milk pro biotic and a good organic. Any suggestions for getting the perfect Fage taste....it is not sold here.
ReplyDeleteI don't have any advice for you, Linda, but I just wanted to pop in and say that as long as my milk cools to 110 and the bath water is 110 and the heating pad is plugged in, I'm making one successful quart of NF organic yogurt after another. I make shakes: 1C yogurt, 1C blueberries, 1/2 of Naked mango puree, a splash of almond milk (high in calcium and nice aroma), a heaping teaspoon of fig marmalade for sweetener, and a tablespoon of psyllium, which makes it pudding-like and needs to be eaten with a spoon. DELISH and filling!
ReplyDeleteSounds delish!
ReplyDeleteThanks
Linda
I have been using the same starter from previous batches for some time. I think the secret is to get it from a fresh batch and use sterile utensils, then freeze. Have been making 1/2 gallon per week for some time and then strain through paper coffee filters to convert to Greek style yogurt and it always turns out perfect.
ReplyDeleteInstead of the heating pad I use a thermoelectric cooler/heater which will keep food hot up to 120° and set it to 115. Stay healthy everyone.